2012-11-05 TSC Call Minutes

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HL7 TSC Meeting Minutes

Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#
GoToMeeting ID: 165-215-206

Date: 2012-11-05
Time: 11:00 AM U.S. Eastern
Facilitator: Austin Kreisler Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Quorum = chair + 5 including 2 SD represented yes
Chair/CTO ArB International Affiliate Rep Ad-Hoc
x Austin Kreisler . Charlie Mead x Ravi Natarajan x Melva Peters
x John Quinn x Ron Parker x Giorgio Cangioli
Domain Experts Foundation and Technology Structure and Semantic Design Technical and Support Services
x Ed Tripp x Woody Beeler regrets Calvin Beebe x Freida Hall
Mead Walker . Tony Julian x Pat van Dyke . Patrick Loyd
ex officio Invited Guests Observers HL7 Staff
. Don Mon (HL7 Chair) w/vote . Jean Duteau, Affiliate Representative-elect x Brian Pech x Lynn Laakso
. Bob Dolin (Vice Chair) vote x Andy Stechishin, co-chair-elect x John Ritter .
. Chuck Jaffe (CEO) vote . . . .

Agenda

Housekeeping

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
  3. Approve Minutes

Governance

  1. Approval items:
  2. Discussion topics:

Management

  1. Review action items –
    • Austin will take the issue of Facilitator training tutorials as webinars to Education
    • Calvin to contact rep from Qualibria on CCOW WG participation interest.
    • Tony will address with InM on absorbing CCOW.
  2. Approval items:
  3. Discussion topics:
  4. Reports: (attach written reports below from Steering Divisions et al.)
  5. Open Issues List


Supporting Documents

  • See links

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Call to order 11:04 AM EST

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) Brian is observing, Andy is our guest
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler approved by general consent
  3. Approve Minutes of 2012-10-29 TSC Call Agenda; Ravi abstains. Approved 7/0/1
  4. Melva joins

Governance

  1. Approval items:
  2. Discussion topics:
    • Datatypes Task Force recommendation:
      • from wiki page
      • The Task Force notifies TSC that they are not aware of further requirements for the task force and no further meetings are scheduled.
      • Woody describes the "Versioning and Backwards Compatibility in V3" document. Ed asks about impact to Common Product Model. CPM will need to be represented in both the R2 and R2b schemas. Ed would like to see reference to CPM in the document. He adds that the GOM also may need revision to allow ballots to jump to normative without DSTU. Woody notes the Board's backwards compatibility recommendation of DSTU is counter-productive. Ed thinks we may have another round of work after this recommendation. Woody notes the GOM allows for a ballot direct to Normative.
      • Ravi asks on the point three of sunset of specification is R2 or R2B - it is for R2B as R2 is already adopted. He asks if new projects would be allowed to start work using R2B; Woody notes that they would need to ask under recommendation # 5.
      • Austin asks if ICSR is under the SPL banner. Woody notes that it is part of Regulated Products. Austin suggests that we explicitly list those products, to visibly exclude pharmacy products that touch CPM.
      • Woody notes that this is a fork in the ITS, so not a modeling issue. The ITS is semantically backwards compatible but not wire-format backwards compatible. Ed will verify if ICSR is included.
      • Freida asks if a DSTU over a normative would have to comply. Woody notes that you don't want to prohibit the evolution of a standard.
      • Motion: Woody moves acceptance of the report. John seconds. Unanimously approved. We'll address specific actions from this on next week's call. Ed found a message from Mead from August that indicates that ICSR is meant to be included but already references R1. ACTION ITEM: Ed will find out which suite of standards being developed (in flight, development, or DSTU) are included. Ravi would like to see a reference area to see which products are being developed in R2 or R2B. Ed notes the eStability normative RCRIM standard; its next revision intends to reference CPM. They would want to have it on the R2B path. Ravi notes that the participants on R2B must be aware there is an end point and suggests point 3 should be listed first.
      • Bring back for discussion in two weeks when Mead and Ed are back.
    • Draft proposed changes in wording to the GOM for TSC attendance at WGMs - Austin/Freida
      • Everyone review for next week's discussion.
    • Review draft WGH RACI chart (Austin)for People/Roles for the WGH Precept - defer discussion

Management

  1. Review action items –
    • Austin will take the issue of Facilitator training tutorials as webinars to Education
    • Calvin to contact rep from Qualibria on CCOW WG participation interest.
    • Tony will address with InM on absorbing CCOW.
  2. Approval items:
    • Work Group Formation Request from DESD for the Clinical Quality Work Group at TSC Tracker #2395 (5 min)
      • Review response from the cochairs of the proposed Work Group. Postponed from last week. - Ed has not heard anything back from the cochairs (nor Pat). Austin and Calvin mentioned in SDWG call that it had been tabled, and the cochairs seemed surprised. Ed will resend his inquiry. Table for another week.
    • e-vote results from last week: approved 6/0/1 All SDs, ArB, 2 affiliate voting
  3. Discussion topics:
    • Another list of proposed motions for withdrawal of standards for ANSI cleanup, at TSC Tracker 2365
      • Need to forward these to relevant WGs to get their feedback. Melva notes the Pharmacy group is meeting this afternoon. ACTION ITEM: Lynn will send to Work Groups.
    • Change requests for standards (e.g. V2.x IGs, DSTU comments) - should we look at a centralized approach, at TSC Tracker # 2400
      • 2.x change requests database, V3 change requests, Harmonization proposals process for RIM, DSTU comments, individual work group wiki pages to track change requests for things like implementation guides, GForge trackers for tooling requests, all different ways to track change requests to standards/artifacts.
      • One issue is bug reporting on GForge is to set up an account in order to use it. Ed notes we are known for being unfriendly to the novice community. Can we front-end it to make it easy to use. Austin will contact ES to see if they can do something that still thwarts the 'bots.
    • ORC liaison - Charlie had expressed interest back in September. He is not on the call.
  4. Other/New business. John Ritter joins to ask about an agenda item. He will work with Pat and Calvin

Adjourned 11:58 AM EST

Next Steps

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • Ed will find out the list of standards being developed are included on an explicit list. Bring back for discussion in two weeks when Mead and Ed are back.
  • Austin will contact ES to see if they can do something about a front end for GForge to centralize change requests for standards/artifact enhancement that still thwarts the 'bots
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items


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