2012-11-26 TSC Call Minutes

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HL7 TSC Meeting Minutes

Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#
GoToMeeting ID: 165-215-206

Date: 2012-11-26
Time: 11:00 AM U.S. Eastern
Facilitator: Austin Kreisler Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Quorum = chair + 5 including 2 SD represented yes
Chair/CTO ArB International Affiliate Rep Ad-Hoc
x Austin Kreisler x Charlie Mead Ravi Natarajan x Melva Peters
John Quinn x Ron Parker x Giorgio Cangioli
Domain Experts Foundation and Technology Structure and Semantic Design Technical and Support Services
x Ed Tripp x Woody Beeler x Calvin Beebe x Freida Hall
regrets Mead Walker x Tony Julian x Pat van Dyke . Patrick Loyd
ex officio Invited Guests Observers HL7 Staff
. Don Mon (HL7 Chair) w/vote x Jean Duteau, Affiliate Representative-elect x Brian Pech x Lynn Laakso
. Bob Dolin (Vice Chair) vote Andy Stechishin, co-chair-elect . obs2 x Dave Hamill
. Chuck Jaffe (CEO) vote . . . .

Agenda

Housekeeping

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
  3. Approve Minutes of 2012-11-19 TSC Call Agenda

Governance

Management

  1. Approval items:
    • Ballot approval list for 2013Jan ballot cycle: last week's approvals are at http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2409/9873/2013JanTSCApprovalList_with_recon_notes_upd.doc
      • Postponed from 2012-11-12 call - exceptions of
        • HL7 Version 3 SAIF Conceptual Specification: Laboratory Orders, Release 1 (1st DSTU Ballot) – Project Insight ID: 587; Unique Ballot ID: V3SAIF_LABORD_R1_D1_2013JAN. OO: Note that this name indicates a new general category.
        • HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy CMETs, Release 1 (5th Normative Ballot) – Project Insight ID: 249. Unique Ballot ID: V3_RX_CMET_R1_N5_2013JAN. RX: This last balloted in 2011 JAN; due to the long delay, it is suggested that the ballot pool be opened to general enrollment. Also, due to the issues surrounding the balloting of CMETs, I strongly suggest that we postpone any balloting of CMETs until it is clear how we will be handling future releases of CMETs, tracking of reconciliations, etc.
      • continued ballots for Infobutton IG R4 - previously passed ballot; and eMeasure will not be ready
        • Need to review guidance on ability to publish Informative or DSTU after successful ballot and reconciliation, even if the reconciliation identifies substantive change. Substantive change forces reballot at the Normative level.
    • Proposed motions (part II) for withdrawal of standards for ANSI cleanup, at TSC Tracker 2365


Supporting Documents

  • See links

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Call to order 11:03 am

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) Brian, Dave and Jean observing
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler; Woody asks about Wrappers R1.1 which passed in FTSD last week. Since it was preapproved by TSC it was not included in the e-vote.
  3. Approve Minutes of 2012-11-19 TSC Call Agenda; unanimously approved

Governance

  • Governance Discussion topics:
    • Datatypes Task Force recommendation: review and feedback from Steering Divisions.
      • see wiki page
      • What have the Steering Divisions identified for other standards to which this "community" will apply to besides SPL? ICSR was suggested but no evidence presented. Woody suggests Common Product Model (CPM) for those CMETS on which implementations depend such as ICSR will need to be in the fork as well. Need to nail down an answer from Mead on ICSR. Bring back next week and Austin will follow up with Mead.
    • Updated proposed changes in wording to the GOM for TSC attendance at WGMs - Austin/Freida
      • Ed joins
      • Motion: Freida moves and Woody seconds endorsement of the proposal to send to the GOC. Vote: unanimously approved.
    • Review HL7 Terminology Authority - Policies and Procedures from Vocab WG of FTSD, in accord with PI# 806, at TSC Tracker # 2416.
      • FTSD has reviewed and endorsed.
      • Austin will try to get someone from Vocab on the call next week. Please review for next week's discussion. Woody suggests Rob Hausam or Jim Case.

Management

  1. Approval items:
    • Ballot approval list for 2013Jan ballot cycle: last week's approvals are at http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2409/9873/2013JanTSCApprovalList_with_recon_notes_upd.doc
      • Postponed from 2012-11-12 call - exceptions of
        • HL7 Version 3 SAIF Conceptual Specification: Laboratory Orders, Release 1 (1st DSTU Ballot) – Project Insight ID: 587; Unique Ballot ID: V3SAIF_LABORD_R1_D1_2013JAN. OO: Note that this name indicates a new general category.
          Austin reports interaction with Lorraine and the ArB on this. SAIF should be removed from the name. Lorraine notes that the conceptual specification includes things that are not typically included in DAMs, but Austin feels they are setting the bar on what DAMs should contain in order to be Normative. Charlie notes that the ArB will discuss on the meeting after this week when both Lorraine and Patrick are available. Woody notes the behavioral models included in a conceptual model not included in an information models in a DAM. A DAM as defined by ArB for normative should have both. Does the SAIF definition of DAM include the behavioral components? SAIF doesn't have a DAM defined. SAIF Artifact definition project has not defined behavioral model within DAM. While it's a new general category, Don will be putting it into the V3 Ballot section with DAMs and as a draft standard we can change the name later. TSC will task MnM and ArB to make the distinction in the interim. Motion: Woody moves we drop SAIF, and allow the remaining name to go forward. Ed seconds. Vote: unanimously approved.
        • HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy CMETs, Release 1 (5th Normative Ballot) – Project Insight ID: 249. Unique Ballot ID: V3_RX_CMET_R1_N5_2013JAN. RX: This last balloted in 2011 JAN; due to the long delay, it is suggested that the ballot pool be opened to general enrollment. Also, due to the issues surrounding the balloting of CMETs, I strongly suggest that we postpone any balloting of CMETs until it is clear how we will be handling future releases of CMETs, tracking of reconciliations, etc.
          Woody notes he needs to caucus with them whether their CMETs were included in the CMET Release 3. We'll need a list comparison of these CMETs compared to the CMET R3 for the contents of this Normative ballot for notification to ANSI. Motion: Woody moves and Calvin seconds allowing them to proceed to ballot with option to withdraw if the comparison yields an empty set. Vote: unanimously approved.
      • continued ballots for Infobutton IG R4 - previously passed ballot; and eMeasure will not be ready
        • Need to review guidance on ability to publish Informative or DSTU after successful ballot and reconciliation, even if the reconciliation identifies substantive change. Substantive change forces reballot at the Normative level.
        • Austin had extensive email discussions with cochairs of groups proposing reballot after successful ballot. Groups can go straight to publication even with substantive change identified, if the ballot passed, for informative and DSTU. These groups will notify Don if they are withdrawing and go forward to publishing.
        • Ed suggests this guidance be incorporated into the cochairs handbook. Austin also intends to challenge the WGs on future ballot cycles that continue this practice of reballoting after a successful ballot.
    • Proposed motions (part II) for withdrawal of standards for ANSI cleanup, at TSC Tracker 2365
Standard Responsible WG Last Balloted TSC Motion approved
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Laboratory Orders and Observations May 2006 at Committee 9 Withdraw
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Personnel Management, Release 1 - Human Resource/Regulation Topic, Release 1 Patient Administration May 2006 at For comments only Withdraw
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Personnel Management, Release 2 Patient Administration May 2006 – For comments only Withdraw
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Scheduling, Release 2 Patient Administration Sep 2007 at the membership2 level Withdraw
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Patient Administration, Release 1 Patient Administration January 2006 membership level. Expired DSTU since 2007 Withdraw
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Medication, Release 1 Pharmacy Sept 2006 – Committee 3 Withdraw; WG voted to withdraw 2012-11-12
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy; Device Order, Release 1 Pharmacy May 2007 as an informative document Withdraw; WG voted to withdraw 2012-11-05
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy; Patient Medication Contraindication Query, Release 1 Pharmacy May 2007 as an informative document Withdraw; WG voted to withdraw 2012-11-05
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy; Device Dispense and Supply Event, Release 1 Pharmacy May 2007 as an informative document Withdraw; WG voted to withdraw 2012-11-05
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Pharmacy; Generic Patient-Related Pharmacy Query, Release 1 Pharmacy May 2007 at Committee level Withdraw; WG voted to withdraw 2012-11-05
HL7 Version 3 Standard: Specification and Use of Reusable Information Constraint Templates, Release 1 Templates Nov 2007 at DSTU4. Expired DSTU as of Feb 2010 Withdraw

Adjourned at 11:45 AM EST, please take the extra time to fill out the CTO evaluation.



Next Steps

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
  • Austin will try to get someone from Vocab on the call next week to discuss the Terminology Authority
  • Austin will follow up with Mead on whether ICSR is included in the community of interest regarding use of R2B for next week's call.
  • Woody will list comparison of these Pharmacy CMETs compared to the CMET R3 for the contents of this Normative ballot for notification to ANSI by Friday
  • MnM (SAIF artifact definition project) and ArB will make the distinction of DAM or Conceptual Specification in two weeks.
  • Advice for Groups to go straight to publication even with substantive change identified if the ballot passed, for informative and DSTU, to be incorporated into the cochairs handbook
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items


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