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===Minutes=== | ===Minutes=== | ||
− | ''' | + | #Call to order at 11:04 am U.S. Eastern Daylight Time |
+ | #Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) | ||
+ | #Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler | ||
+ | ##Approve by affirmation | ||
+ | #Approve Minutes of 2012-03-19 TSC Call Agenda | ||
+ | ##Giorgio abstained from minutes | ||
+ | #Review action items – None: | ||
+ | #Approval items: Withdrawal Request for FM of SSD SD: HL7 Version 3 Standard: Claims and Reimbursement; Special Authorization, Release 1, at Project Insight # 330, and TSC Tracker # 2227. | ||
+ | ##'''Motion''' To withdraw the "HL7 Version 3 Standard: Claims and Reimbursement; Special Authorization, Release 1".(Woody/Ed) (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative) | ||
+ | ##Justification should be: Canadian Standards Collaborative wants to let this DSTU expire. They are not prepared to take it forward or to reconcile the 2 outstanding negatives from NYP and Oracle. | ||
+ | ##'''Vote''' (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative) | ||
+ | #Discussion topics: Review Strategic Initiatives TSC Dashboard and address specific, measurable metrics Motion: Accept metrics for Requirements traceability and cross-artifact consistency, and Product Development Effectiveness for Product Quality | ||
+ | ##Austin:Having problems defining "Cross-artifact consistency". | ||
+ | ##Austin:Suggested criteria: Standard | ||
+ | ###uses CMETs from HL7-managed CMETs in COCT, POCP (Common Product) and other domains | ||
+ | ###uses harmonized design patterns (as defined through RIM Pattern harmonization process) | ||
+ | ###is consistent with common Domain Models including Clinical Statement, Common Product Model and "TermInfo" | ||
+ | ##Ron: May not always hit a consistent level of consistency. | ||
+ | ##Woody: We dont | ||
+ | ##Ron: We should measure and document. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Fundamental question: What does Cross-artifact consistency mean? | ||
+ | ##Woody: If a year from now we say three of our standards dont meet these, out of thirty, we have a red mark. For example, the Reference Information model and core principles dont use these, but they define consistency. There needs to be a recognition that this is appropriate for standards that are developing RIm-defined standards. | ||
+ | ##Helen:Whatever we come up with needs to recognize all of the products. CMETS are not relative to the EHR-FM. We should measure using the FM. | ||
+ | ##Woody: We need to limit to standards that derive from the RIM. | ||
+ | ##Ravi: SHould we call them at the level of implementation standards, derivation standards. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Standards based on/derived from the RIM. I want to avoid throwing this out, and coming up with something that is not measurable. If we modified to state 'Standards built on the RIM, derived from the RIM' | ||
+ | ##Woody: Include RIM-derived information models. | ||
+ | ##Helen: Would we develop requirements for the other products, or just this one. | ||
+ | ##Austin: We should add others that are measurable. | ||
+ | ##Woody: Cross-artifact consistency - if you are not developing RIM-Derived models, it does not apply. | ||
+ | ##Helen: Consistency in profiles is as necessary as are RIM-Derived. | ||
+ | ##Woody:Consistency within standards that deal with methodology - both pre-SAIF and post-SAIF. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Measure applied to V3 RIM-Derived information model standards. | ||
+ | ##'''Motion''' (woody/Ron)Standards that include V3 RIM-Derived information models. | ||
+ | ##'''Vote'''(10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative) | ||
+ | ##Austin: This will now be one of our criteria. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Metric "Percent of Work groups in FTSD, SSDSD and DESD participating in RIM/Vocab/Pattern Harmonization meetings, calculated as a 3 trimester moving average " | ||
+ | ##Woody: If the red light goes off, where does the finger get pointed, and what are the levels of Red/Yellow/Green. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Where do we put the color cutoff. | ||
+ | ##Woody: Red if we miss base quorum. I dont have an answer. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Green of 75% or better participation. Yellow 50-74%. 0-49 is red. | ||
+ | ##Woody: Who carries the blot? | ||
+ | ##Austin: Right now, the TSC. We may do things to correct that. We need a years worth of data to assess. | ||
+ | ##'''Motion''' "Percent of Work groups in FTSD, SSDSD and DESD participating in RIM/Vocab/Pattern Harmonization meetings, calculated as a 3 trimester moving average Green of 75% or better participation. Yellow 50-74%. 0-49 is red." (Ravi/Woody) | ||
+ | ##'''Vote''' (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative) | ||
+ | ##Product Quality: | ||
+ | ###Product development effectiveness: | ||
+ | ###Austin: This is not about the individual ballots. Will have to modify the publication request. | ||
+ | ###Woody: Items 1-2 dont seem to apply. | ||
+ | ###Austin: May not be ready. | ||
+ | ###Woody: Product Development Effectiveness - overall metric -how long did it take, but there are also transient metrics. | ||
+ | ###Austin: We would look at how many cycles it took a ballot to pass 1-2 cycles green, 3-4 ballots yellow, 5+ red. If the average over the year is 1-2 green, 3-4 yellow, 5+ red. | ||
+ | ###Woody: Another is a metric of what do we have at risk past 2. | ||
+ | ###Austin: Two measures - moving average of latency of normative ballot. | ||
+ | ###Frieda: Just normative? Not the lifecycle. | ||
+ | ###Austin: Yes | ||
+ | ###Frieda: PSS is looking at a life cycle. It is not easy to measure. I like the at-risk count. | ||
+ | ###Woody: Goes along with Product ballot Quality - measures the development dynamically. | ||
+ | ###Austin: Can we re-engineer it - I will do so, and send to Woody. | ||
+ | ###Austin: I would be happy to take Item 3 as is - moving average based on publication requests. | ||
+ | ####3.items going into third or higher round of balloting for a normative specification; (Note: This flags concern while the process is ongoing; it is not necessarily a measure of quality once the document it has finished balloting). | ||
+ | ####Green: 1-2 ballots | ||
+ | ####Yellow: 3-4 ballots | ||
+ | ####Red: 5+ ballots | ||
+ | ###Woody: Annual ? Will be flaky until the end of a year. | ||
+ | ###Austin: On a trimester basis they may be weaker. | ||
+ | ###Woody: We need to think this through some more. We need to discuss the what-ifs. | ||
+ | ###Austin: Agreed. Will re-think. | ||
+ | ###Woody: I will be absent next week. | ||
+ | ###Austin: I have rattled V3 publishing and V2 publishing about ballot quality. We need to talk to EHR-FM about functional profiles. | ||
+ | ###Woody: If you can limit it to the current stats, I can provide. | ||
+ | ###Austin: I will join publishing to discuss it. | ||
+ | ##Austin: Still need to tackle "Industry responsiveness and easier implementation" as well as "WGM Effectiveness". Will discuss with John Quinn. | ||
+ | #Tracker # 1815 TSC to develop guidelines on what should be Informative vs. DSTU vs. Normative; last version: BallotGuidance-20120326. DAMs Previously published as DSTU | ||
+ | ## Need also to identify criteria for why some EHR FPs are informative (Vital Records) and some are normative (Behavioral Health) | ||
+ | ##TSC Guidance on Ballot Levels: | ||
+ | ###Woody: I have a problem with "Describe how a conformant implementation guide..." | ||
+ | ###Austin: Should we clarify with "Those standards that are to be consumed externally should describe how conformant implementation guides should be built for the standard" | ||
+ | ###Austin: There will be exemptions. | ||
+ | ###Woody: Should is fine. We need to recognize that there are classes of standards that do not have implementation guides. | ||
+ | ###Frieda: So for IG's you need to do all three? | ||
+ | ###Woody: "should provide or reference?" We could come up with a generic conformance stateme for CDA. | ||
+ | ###Austin: The matrix has not changed at all. | ||
+ | ###Giorgio: What about semantics for FHIR? | ||
+ | ###Woody: It will be a new class - a little of everything in V3. | ||
+ | ###Giorgio: It could be another kind of information model. | ||
+ | ###Austin: Sounds like a Domain Analysis Model. | ||
+ | ###Woody: FHIR resources will have a new category. | ||
+ | ###Austin: are we ready to approve? | ||
+ | ###Frieda: Put off one week? | ||
+ | ###Austin: On the agenda next week for approval. | ||
+ | #Adjournment at 12:00pm U.S. Eastern Daylight Time | ||
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Agenda
Agenda Topics
- Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
- Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
- Approve Minutes of 2012-03-19 TSC Call Agenda
- Review action items –
- Approval items:
- Withdrawal Request for FM of SSD SD: HL7 Version 3 Standard: Claims and Reimbursement; Special Authorization, Release 1, at Project Insight # 330, and TSC Tracker # 2227.
- Discussion topics:
- Review Strategic Initiatives TSC Dashboard and address specific, measurable metrics
- Motion: Accept metrics for Requirements traceability and cross-artifact consistency, and Product Development Effectiveness for Product Quality
- Tracker # 1815 TSC to develop guidelines on what should be Informative vs. DSTU vs. Normative; last version: BallotGuidance-20120326.
- DAMs Previously published as DSTU
- Need also to identify criteria for why some EHR FPs are informative (Vital Records) and some are normative (Behavioral Health)
- Review Strategic Initiatives TSC Dashboard and address specific, measurable metrics
- Reports: (attach written reports below from Steering Divisions et al.)
- Announcement of Normative publication request submitted for EHR-S Functional Model R1.1 (ISO/HL7 10781 EHR-System Functional Model, R1.1), for EHR WG of SSD SD. Congratulations to EHR WG for completing this JIC ballot!
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Minutes
- Call to order at 11:04 am U.S. Eastern Daylight Time
- Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
- Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
- Approve by affirmation
- Approve Minutes of 2012-03-19 TSC Call Agenda
- Giorgio abstained from minutes
- Review action items – None:
- Approval items: Withdrawal Request for FM of SSD SD: HL7 Version 3 Standard: Claims and Reimbursement; Special Authorization, Release 1, at Project Insight # 330, and TSC Tracker # 2227.
- Motion To withdraw the "HL7 Version 3 Standard: Claims and Reimbursement; Special Authorization, Release 1".(Woody/Ed) (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative)
- Justification should be: Canadian Standards Collaborative wants to let this DSTU expire. They are not prepared to take it forward or to reconcile the 2 outstanding negatives from NYP and Oracle.
- Vote (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative)
- Discussion topics: Review Strategic Initiatives TSC Dashboard and address specific, measurable metrics Motion: Accept metrics for Requirements traceability and cross-artifact consistency, and Product Development Effectiveness for Product Quality
- Austin:Having problems defining "Cross-artifact consistency".
- Austin:Suggested criteria: Standard
- uses CMETs from HL7-managed CMETs in COCT, POCP (Common Product) and other domains
- uses harmonized design patterns (as defined through RIM Pattern harmonization process)
- is consistent with common Domain Models including Clinical Statement, Common Product Model and "TermInfo"
- Ron: May not always hit a consistent level of consistency.
- Woody: We dont
- Ron: We should measure and document.
- Austin: Fundamental question: What does Cross-artifact consistency mean?
- Woody: If a year from now we say three of our standards dont meet these, out of thirty, we have a red mark. For example, the Reference Information model and core principles dont use these, but they define consistency. There needs to be a recognition that this is appropriate for standards that are developing RIm-defined standards.
- Helen:Whatever we come up with needs to recognize all of the products. CMETS are not relative to the EHR-FM. We should measure using the FM.
- Woody: We need to limit to standards that derive from the RIM.
- Ravi: SHould we call them at the level of implementation standards, derivation standards.
- Austin: Standards based on/derived from the RIM. I want to avoid throwing this out, and coming up with something that is not measurable. If we modified to state 'Standards built on the RIM, derived from the RIM'
- Woody: Include RIM-derived information models.
- Helen: Would we develop requirements for the other products, or just this one.
- Austin: We should add others that are measurable.
- Woody: Cross-artifact consistency - if you are not developing RIM-Derived models, it does not apply.
- Helen: Consistency in profiles is as necessary as are RIM-Derived.
- Woody:Consistency within standards that deal with methodology - both pre-SAIF and post-SAIF.
- Austin: Measure applied to V3 RIM-Derived information model standards.
- Motion (woody/Ron)Standards that include V3 RIM-Derived information models.
- Vote(10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative)
- Austin: This will now be one of our criteria.
- Austin: Metric "Percent of Work groups in FTSD, SSDSD and DESD participating in RIM/Vocab/Pattern Harmonization meetings, calculated as a 3 trimester moving average "
- Woody: If the red light goes off, where does the finger get pointed, and what are the levels of Red/Yellow/Green.
- Austin: Where do we put the color cutoff.
- Woody: Red if we miss base quorum. I dont have an answer.
- Austin: Green of 75% or better participation. Yellow 50-74%. 0-49 is red.
- Woody: Who carries the blot?
- Austin: Right now, the TSC. We may do things to correct that. We need a years worth of data to assess.
- Motion "Percent of Work groups in FTSD, SSDSD and DESD participating in RIM/Vocab/Pattern Harmonization meetings, calculated as a 3 trimester moving average Green of 75% or better participation. Yellow 50-74%. 0-49 is red." (Ravi/Woody)
- Vote (10 affirmative, 0 Abstain, 0 Negative)
- Product Quality:
- Product development effectiveness:
- Austin: This is not about the individual ballots. Will have to modify the publication request.
- Woody: Items 1-2 dont seem to apply.
- Austin: May not be ready.
- Woody: Product Development Effectiveness - overall metric -how long did it take, but there are also transient metrics.
- Austin: We would look at how many cycles it took a ballot to pass 1-2 cycles green, 3-4 ballots yellow, 5+ red. If the average over the year is 1-2 green, 3-4 yellow, 5+ red.
- Woody: Another is a metric of what do we have at risk past 2.
- Austin: Two measures - moving average of latency of normative ballot.
- Frieda: Just normative? Not the lifecycle.
- Austin: Yes
- Frieda: PSS is looking at a life cycle. It is not easy to measure. I like the at-risk count.
- Woody: Goes along with Product ballot Quality - measures the development dynamically.
- Austin: Can we re-engineer it - I will do so, and send to Woody.
- Austin: I would be happy to take Item 3 as is - moving average based on publication requests.
- 3.items going into third or higher round of balloting for a normative specification; (Note: This flags concern while the process is ongoing; it is not necessarily a measure of quality once the document it has finished balloting).
- Green: 1-2 ballots
- Yellow: 3-4 ballots
- Red: 5+ ballots
- Woody: Annual ? Will be flaky until the end of a year.
- Austin: On a trimester basis they may be weaker.
- Woody: We need to think this through some more. We need to discuss the what-ifs.
- Austin: Agreed. Will re-think.
- Woody: I will be absent next week.
- Austin: I have rattled V3 publishing and V2 publishing about ballot quality. We need to talk to EHR-FM about functional profiles.
- Woody: If you can limit it to the current stats, I can provide.
- Austin: I will join publishing to discuss it.
- Austin: Still need to tackle "Industry responsiveness and easier implementation" as well as "WGM Effectiveness". Will discuss with John Quinn.
- Tracker # 1815 TSC to develop guidelines on what should be Informative vs. DSTU vs. Normative; last version: BallotGuidance-20120326. DAMs Previously published as DSTU
- Need also to identify criteria for why some EHR FPs are informative (Vital Records) and some are normative (Behavioral Health)
- TSC Guidance on Ballot Levels:
- Woody: I have a problem with "Describe how a conformant implementation guide..."
- Austin: Should we clarify with "Those standards that are to be consumed externally should describe how conformant implementation guides should be built for the standard"
- Austin: There will be exemptions.
- Woody: Should is fine. We need to recognize that there are classes of standards that do not have implementation guides.
- Frieda: So for IG's you need to do all three?
- Woody: "should provide or reference?" We could come up with a generic conformance stateme for CDA.
- Austin: The matrix has not changed at all.
- Giorgio: What about semantics for FHIR?
- Woody: It will be a new class - a little of everything in V3.
- Giorgio: It could be another kind of information model.
- Austin: Sounds like a Domain Analysis Model.
- Woody: FHIR resources will have a new category.
- Austin: are we ready to approve?
- Frieda: Put off one week?
- Austin: On the agenda next week for approval.
- Adjournment at 12:00pm U.S. Eastern Daylight Time
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