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− | | | + | |x ||Ken McCaslin||x||Tony Julian||.|| Jean Duteau||x||Austin Kreisler |
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− | | | + | |x||Wayne Kubick ||x||Lorraine Constable||.|| Giorgio Cangioli||x||Freida Hall, GOM Expert |
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|colspan="2" align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|HL7 Staff | |colspan="2" align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|HL7 Staff | ||
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− | |.||Pat Van Dyke (HL7 Chair) w/vote|| | + | |.||Pat Van Dyke (HL7 Chair) w/vote||x||Dave Hamill ||.||''obs1''||x||Anne Wizauer |
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− | |.||Chuck Jaffe (CEO) <s> vote</s>|| | + | |.||Chuck Jaffe (CEO) <s> vote</s>||x||Karen Van Hentenryck||.||''obs2''||.|| |
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#Agenda review and approval - | #Agenda review and approval - | ||
#Approve Minutes of [[2016-08-22 TSC Call Agenda]] | #Approve Minutes of [[2016-08-22 TSC Call Agenda]] | ||
+ | #Announcements | ||
+ | #*Reminder: No meeting on 2016-09-05 (US Labor Day) | ||
#Review [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=494 action items] – | #Review [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=494 action items] – | ||
#*SGB and ARB to address the issue of separation of concerns with initial report on 2016-10-03 | #*SGB and ARB to address the issue of separation of concerns with initial report on 2016-10-03 | ||
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#**Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? [http://www.jointinitiativecouncil.org/ JointInitiativeCouncil.org] mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b | #**Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? [http://www.jointinitiativecouncil.org/ JointInitiativeCouncil.org] mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b | ||
#***'''ACTION: Wayne to report back to the TSC after an ISO meeting occurs that will discuss the current process''' | #***'''ACTION: Wayne to report back to the TSC after an ISO meeting occurs that will discuss the current process''' | ||
− | #Approval items from last week's e-vote approved | + | #Approval items from last week's e-vote approved 6/0/0 with T3SD, Jean, DESD, Wayne, Austin, and ARB voting: |
#*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10482/14599/HL7%20Project%20Scope%20Statement%20v2015%201__CCDA_GuidanceUDIandAssocData_20160822_approvedbySD_OO_SSD-SD.docx Project Approval Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''C-CDA R2.1 Guidance on Documenting UDI and associated data for Implantable Medical Devices'' at Project Insight TBD and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10482&start=0 TSC Tracker 10482] | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10482/14599/HL7%20Project%20Scope%20Statement%20v2015%201__CCDA_GuidanceUDIandAssocData_20160822_approvedbySD_OO_SSD-SD.docx Project Approval Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''C-CDA R2.1 Guidance on Documenting UDI and associated data for Implantable Medical Devices'' at Project Insight TBD and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10482&start=0 TSC Tracker 10482] | ||
#*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10483/14603/HL7_Structured%20Form%20Definition%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Structured Form Definition Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=976 Project Insight 976] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10483&start=0 TSC Tracker 10483] for 12 months. | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10483/14603/HL7_Structured%20Form%20Definition%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Structured Form Definition Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=976 Project Insight 976] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10483&start=0 TSC Tracker 10483] for 12 months. | ||
#*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10484/14604/HL7_Questionnaire%20Response%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Questionnaire Response Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=977 Project Insight 977] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10484&start=0 TSC Tracker 10484] for 12 months. | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10484/14604/HL7_Questionnaire%20Response%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Questionnaire Response Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=977 Project Insight 977] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10484&start=0 TSC Tracker 10484] for 12 months. | ||
#Approval items for this week: | #Approval items for this week: | ||
− | #Discussion topics: | + | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10496/14608/HL7%20CBCC%20request%20for%20DPROV%20DSTU%20Extension.docx DSTU Extension Request] by the CBCC WG of the DESD for ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA ® Release 2 Data Provenance, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=1093 Project Insight 1093] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10496&start=0 TSC Tracker 10496] |
+ | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10526/14618/CDAR2_IG_CLONCDATA_R1_D3_2016JAN_R3_Publication_Request.docx DSTU Publication Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 CDA® R2 Implementation Guide: Clinical Oncology Treatment Plan and Summary, Release 1 - US Realm Draft Standard for Trial Use (DSTU) 3'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=921 Project Insight 921] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10526&start=0 TSC Tracker 10526] | ||
+ | #Discussion topics: | ||
+ | #*Update on Conformance Testing - Karen/Dave | ||
+ | #*Updating the C-CDA STU specification/balloting optional content - Austin | ||
#*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/9357/14610/BallotGuidance-20130128.doc Ballot Guidance] document | #*[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/9357/14610/BallotGuidance-20130128.doc Ballot Guidance] document | ||
<!-- #WGM Planning - --> | <!-- #WGM Planning - --> | ||
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#***Organizational structure alignment concepts | #***Organizational structure alignment concepts | ||
#***Simplify and Improve | #***Simplify and Improve | ||
− | #*Sunday Q5: IHTSDO Developer License Announcement (Jane Millar) | + | #**Q4: |
+ | #***Next steps | ||
+ | #**Sunday Q5: | ||
+ | #***IHTSDO Developer License Announcement (Jane Millar) | ||
+ | #***European eHealth projects (Giorgio) | ||
#*HL7 documentation formats across standards families - followup from 6-27 call with [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/9305/14493/MFHAST_HL7_Standards_Formats.docx associated document] | #*HL7 documentation formats across standards families - followup from 6-27 call with [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/9305/14493/MFHAST_HL7_Standards_Formats.docx associated document] | ||
#*Assignment of outside projects to WGs: | #*Assignment of outside projects to WGs: | ||
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===Minutes=== | ===Minutes=== | ||
− | '''Minutes/ | + | '''Housekeeping''' <br/> |
− | + | *Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) | |
+ | *Agenda review and approval - | ||
+ | *Approve Minutes of [[2016-08-22 TSC Call Agenda]] | ||
+ | **Minutes accepted via general consent | ||
+ | *Review [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=494 action items] – | ||
+ | **SGB and ARB to address the issue of separation of concerns with initial report on 2016-10-03 | ||
+ | **Paul, Calvin, and Melva to work on requirements for logging issues/comments across standards with EST cochair and report back on 2016-10-03 | ||
+ | **All: Revisit multi-year planning items on 2016-09-12 TSC call | ||
+ | *Approval items from previous weeks with followup: | ||
+ | **[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10253/14471/HL7%20PSS%20-%20PHR-S%20FM%20to%20Release%202%20format%20-%2020160610%202.docx Project Approval Request] by the EHR WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Personal Health Record System Functional Model – Update from Release 1 to Release 2 format'' at Project Insight TBD and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10253&start=0 TSC Tracker 10253] | ||
+ | ***Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? [http://www.jointinitiativecouncil.org/ JointInitiativeCouncil.org] mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b | ||
+ | ****'''ACTION: Wayne to report back to the TSC after an ISO meeting occurs that will discuss the current process''' | ||
+ | *Approval items from last week's e-vote approved 6/0/0 with T3SD, Jean, DESD, Wayne, Austin, and ARB voting: | ||
+ | **[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10482/14599/HL7%20Project%20Scope%20Statement%20v2015%201__CCDA_GuidanceUDIandAssocData_20160822_approvedbySD_OO_SSD-SD.docx Project Approval Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''C-CDA R2.1 Guidance on Documenting UDI and associated data for Implantable Medical Devices'' at Project Insight TBD and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10482&start=0 TSC Tracker 10482] | ||
+ | **[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10483/14603/HL7_Structured%20Form%20Definition%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Structured Form Definition Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=976 Project Insight 976] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10483&start=0 TSC Tracker 10483] for 12 months. | ||
+ | **[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/10484/14604/HL7_Questionnaire%20Response%20Document_Extension_Request_2016August.docx STU Extension Request] by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of ''HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Questionnaire Response Document, Release 1'' at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=977 Project Insight 977] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=10484&start=0 TSC Tracker 10484] for 12 months. | ||
+ | *Approval items for this week: | ||
+ | *Discussion topics: | ||
+ | **Update on Conformance Testing - Karen/Dave | ||
+ | ***Have been reaching out to various entities for input/estimates. CGIT provided feedback as well as AEGIS and NIST. $150k for testing one tool group and one tool; we have 24 tool groups. AEGIS and NIST provided multi-million dollar estimates for implementation. Estimates were surprisingly high. This is a larger scale solution than what was perhaps anticipated. | ||
+ | *** Karen: We might recommend that ONC develop a broader testing program. Wayne: We may just work to make our standards more consistently testable. Karen: We have some documents that are not in their final state that would need to go through additional balloting. We'll include the information we received in our report to CMS. The other piece is we talked to the V3 folks and they recommended that we not bother developing conformance documents. Gora: In terms of cost and time, we should focus on the time estimate first. Cost may balance out with market forces. Melva: I don't think we should underestimate how much time this would take given the level of complexity. Ken: If we try to narrow the number and be really specific, I'm not sure we could be on target until someone gets into the process and starts doing it. Wayne: Not sure the ONC is offering funding to do this. What we should be doing is looking at what we can do in Structured Documents to create a process to clearly define conformance statements that can be applied. Discussion over cleaning up C-CDA statements. | ||
+ | ***What do we need to do to put it in place moving forward? Testing environment is beyond our scope. Austin: how do we go back and redo/make improvements given the vast scale? Goes beyond what volunteers can support. Dave: This is where we would put ONC funds - paying someone to do it. Wayne: First we ask for funds to do the assessment. Dave: We will follow up with Calvin and Austin re: the C-CDA issue and where it falls. | ||
+ | **Updating the C-CDA STU specification/balloting optional content - Austin | ||
+ | ***UDI project for C-CDA brought up this topic. Representative of several projects to add material to a huge body of work that has been balloted in the past in a monolithic fashion. It's far too large for any group to take on now - multiple thousands of man hours to attempt to do the basic task of reballoting and publishing. We need an easier way for groups to add things. Have considered having additional volumes balloted and added, but not sure we've ever done this at HL7. Freida: Are we talking about normative material? Austin: Right now it's STU but it's so widely adopted that we're cautious. UDI is a core piece of material that was never in the original other than a few minor pieces of information. Calvin: All the templates are open for the most part, so we can think of these as additional constraints that would be used in conjunction. Ken: So you have a normative document that is still in STU, and then you're adding additional constraints because of different areas of interest; you might be doing something like V2 where you're adding chapters to expand the existing technology. Wayne: What's wrong with doing it this way? What would the problem be? Freida; We might have some problems from the ANSI perspective if you don't reballot everything when you go normative. So it would be added separately on the DSTU pages? Would have to be communicated so implementers would know how to get it. | ||
+ | ****MOTION that the TSC supports this volume-based approach: Austin/Freida | ||
+ | ****Wayne: Do we want to make such an extensive proposal? Perhaps we should pilot this first. | ||
+ | ****Amended MOTION that the TSC supports piloting a volume-based approach for C-CDA: Austin/Freida | ||
+ | ****VOTE: all in favor | ||
+ | **[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/9357/14610/BallotGuidance-20130128.doc Ballot Guidance] document | ||
+ | ***Freida: Could we re-title this document to reflect TSC ballot guidance to differentiate from a similar project services document (HL7 Ballot Guide)? Gora states we should add HL7 to the title, and add "Guidance" in the second section. Wayne: This came up because FHIR wants to ballot content that is partially normative and partially STU. Freida: We currently do that in version 3 using color coding. Calvin: Don't we ballot each of the parts separately even though we publish it as an aggregate? Ken: Grahame did say he would attempt to provide some separation. Ken: Don't we use color as well as symbols in V3? Melva: It's just another piece of metadata, but not sure in that spec what is balloted and what is informational. Andy: Are there notes to balloters published on the outside? They should be publishing that because of the way they're doing the spec. Will add Guidance later when ARB defines it. | ||
+ | ****MOTION to accept this document with proposed edits: Gora/Melva | ||
+ | ****VOTE: all in favor | ||
+ | ****MOTION to add FHIR to the HL7 product list: Melva/Freida | ||
+ | ****VOTE: all in favor | ||
+ | **Jane Millar is going to come to the Sunday meeting to discuss IHTSDO content regarding developer licensing that will be presented at the co-chair dinner. She's also presenting to the international council on Sunday. Should she also circulate around steering division meetings? Decision that it would be good for her to be available as needed for steering division meetings. | ||
+ | **We moved some of the HL7 guidance docs over to HL7.org to make them more searchable. Now that we moved them we will likely remove old content and put remaining documents on a 3-year review cycle. | ||
===Next Steps=== | ===Next Steps=== | ||
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|colspan="4" |'''Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items'''<br/> | |colspan="4" |'''Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items'''<br/> | ||
− | *[[2016- | + | *[[2016-09-12 TSC Call Agenda]]. |
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x | Ken McCaslin | x | Tony Julian | . | Jean Duteau | x | Austin Kreisler |
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. | . | . | . | Woody Beeler, TSC Member Emeritus | |||
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Agenda
Housekeeping
- Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
- Agenda review and approval -
- Approve Minutes of 2016-08-22 TSC Call Agenda
- Announcements
- Reminder: No meeting on 2016-09-05 (US Labor Day)
- Review action items –
- SGB and ARB to address the issue of separation of concerns with initial report on 2016-10-03
- Paul, Calvin, and Melva to work on requirements for logging issues/comments across standards with EST cochair and report back on 2016-10-03
- All: Revisit multi-year planning items on 2016-09-12 TSC call
- Approval items from previous weeks with followup:
- Project Approval Request by the EHR WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Personal Health Record System Functional Model – Update from Release 1 to Release 2 format at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10253
- Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? JointInitiativeCouncil.org mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b
- ACTION: Wayne to report back to the TSC after an ISO meeting occurs that will discuss the current process
- Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? JointInitiativeCouncil.org mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b
- Project Approval Request by the EHR WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Personal Health Record System Functional Model – Update from Release 1 to Release 2 format at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10253
- Approval items from last week's e-vote approved 6/0/0 with T3SD, Jean, DESD, Wayne, Austin, and ARB voting:
- Project Approval Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of C-CDA R2.1 Guidance on Documenting UDI and associated data for Implantable Medical Devices at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10482
- STU Extension Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Structured Form Definition Document, Release 1 at Project Insight 976 and TSC Tracker 10483 for 12 months.
- STU Extension Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Questionnaire Response Document, Release 1 at Project Insight 977 and TSC Tracker 10484 for 12 months.
- Approval items for this week:
- DSTU Extension Request by the CBCC WG of the DESD for HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA ® Release 2 Data Provenance, Release 1 at Project Insight 1093 and TSC Tracker 10496
- DSTU Publication Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 CDA® R2 Implementation Guide: Clinical Oncology Treatment Plan and Summary, Release 1 - US Realm Draft Standard for Trial Use (DSTU) 3 at Project Insight 921 and TSC Tracker 10526
- Discussion topics:
- Update on Conformance Testing - Karen/Dave
- Updating the C-CDA STU specification/balloting optional content - Austin
- Ballot Guidance document
- Parking Lot/Open Issues List
- SeptemberWGM prep
- Q1:
- Review/update
- Essentialism/Strategic planning
- Q2:
- Architecture - Andy
- Simplification
- Q3:
- Organizational structure alignment concepts
- Simplify and Improve
- Q4:
- Next steps
- Sunday Q5:
- IHTSDO Developer License Announcement (Jane Millar)
- European eHealth projects (Giorgio)
- Q1:
- HL7 documentation formats across standards families - followup from 6-27 call with associated document
- Assignment of outside projects to WGs:
- 1) We need a process for Universal realm projects; 2) We need a model for top down approval process; 3) We need advice published for people coming in with a project from the outside; 4: we need to clearly define role of TSC and steering divisions in this process. Calvin: US Realm should be added to the list for the US things.
- Continue work on multi-year planning items:
- Simplification of location of meeting notifications, minutes, agendas, and other documentation - merged with Standardization of Processes Across WGs
- Evaluate WG/SD structure: Melva, John, Russ
- Evaluate opportunities for member/non-member engagement: John, Lorraine, Russ w/Anne assisting
- Standards organization hierarchy: John
- Standards sharing across realms: Jean, Giorgio
- Standardization of processes across WGs: Sandy, Melva, Ken, Tony, w/Anne assisting - rescheduling call due to harmonization
- Strategy for PSS management throughout the lifecycle: Jean, Calvin, Dave, EST
- Working on scheduling a call
- SeptemberWGM prep
Minutes
Housekeeping
- Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
- Agenda review and approval -
- Approve Minutes of 2016-08-22 TSC Call Agenda
- Minutes accepted via general consent
- Review action items –
- SGB and ARB to address the issue of separation of concerns with initial report on 2016-10-03
- Paul, Calvin, and Melva to work on requirements for logging issues/comments across standards with EST cochair and report back on 2016-10-03
- All: Revisit multi-year planning items on 2016-09-12 TSC call
- Approval items from previous weeks with followup:
- Project Approval Request by the EHR WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Personal Health Record System Functional Model – Update from Release 1 to Release 2 format at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10253
- Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? JointInitiativeCouncil.org mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b
- ACTION: Wayne to report back to the TSC after an ISO meeting occurs that will discuss the current process
- Freida: Does this need to be a Joint Initiative Council (JIC) ballot if it is going to ISO? JointInitiativeCouncil.org mentions HL7-ISO Pilot Agreement and joint copyright in §5.b
- Project Approval Request by the EHR WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Personal Health Record System Functional Model – Update from Release 1 to Release 2 format at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10253
- Approval items from last week's e-vote approved 6/0/0 with T3SD, Jean, DESD, Wayne, Austin, and ARB voting:
- Project Approval Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of C-CDA R2.1 Guidance on Documenting UDI and associated data for Implantable Medical Devices at Project Insight TBD and TSC Tracker 10482
- STU Extension Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Structured Form Definition Document, Release 1 at Project Insight 976 and TSC Tracker 10483 for 12 months.
- STU Extension Request by the Structured Documents WG of the SSD-SD of HL7 Implementation Guide for CDA® Release 2: Questionnaire Response Document, Release 1 at Project Insight 977 and TSC Tracker 10484 for 12 months.
- Approval items for this week:
- Discussion topics:
- Update on Conformance Testing - Karen/Dave
- Have been reaching out to various entities for input/estimates. CGIT provided feedback as well as AEGIS and NIST. $150k for testing one tool group and one tool; we have 24 tool groups. AEGIS and NIST provided multi-million dollar estimates for implementation. Estimates were surprisingly high. This is a larger scale solution than what was perhaps anticipated.
- Karen: We might recommend that ONC develop a broader testing program. Wayne: We may just work to make our standards more consistently testable. Karen: We have some documents that are not in their final state that would need to go through additional balloting. We'll include the information we received in our report to CMS. The other piece is we talked to the V3 folks and they recommended that we not bother developing conformance documents. Gora: In terms of cost and time, we should focus on the time estimate first. Cost may balance out with market forces. Melva: I don't think we should underestimate how much time this would take given the level of complexity. Ken: If we try to narrow the number and be really specific, I'm not sure we could be on target until someone gets into the process and starts doing it. Wayne: Not sure the ONC is offering funding to do this. What we should be doing is looking at what we can do in Structured Documents to create a process to clearly define conformance statements that can be applied. Discussion over cleaning up C-CDA statements.
- What do we need to do to put it in place moving forward? Testing environment is beyond our scope. Austin: how do we go back and redo/make improvements given the vast scale? Goes beyond what volunteers can support. Dave: This is where we would put ONC funds - paying someone to do it. Wayne: First we ask for funds to do the assessment. Dave: We will follow up with Calvin and Austin re: the C-CDA issue and where it falls.
- Updating the C-CDA STU specification/balloting optional content - Austin
- UDI project for C-CDA brought up this topic. Representative of several projects to add material to a huge body of work that has been balloted in the past in a monolithic fashion. It's far too large for any group to take on now - multiple thousands of man hours to attempt to do the basic task of reballoting and publishing. We need an easier way for groups to add things. Have considered having additional volumes balloted and added, but not sure we've ever done this at HL7. Freida: Are we talking about normative material? Austin: Right now it's STU but it's so widely adopted that we're cautious. UDI is a core piece of material that was never in the original other than a few minor pieces of information. Calvin: All the templates are open for the most part, so we can think of these as additional constraints that would be used in conjunction. Ken: So you have a normative document that is still in STU, and then you're adding additional constraints because of different areas of interest; you might be doing something like V2 where you're adding chapters to expand the existing technology. Wayne: What's wrong with doing it this way? What would the problem be? Freida; We might have some problems from the ANSI perspective if you don't reballot everything when you go normative. So it would be added separately on the DSTU pages? Would have to be communicated so implementers would know how to get it.
- MOTION that the TSC supports this volume-based approach: Austin/Freida
- Wayne: Do we want to make such an extensive proposal? Perhaps we should pilot this first.
- Amended MOTION that the TSC supports piloting a volume-based approach for C-CDA: Austin/Freida
- VOTE: all in favor
- UDI project for C-CDA brought up this topic. Representative of several projects to add material to a huge body of work that has been balloted in the past in a monolithic fashion. It's far too large for any group to take on now - multiple thousands of man hours to attempt to do the basic task of reballoting and publishing. We need an easier way for groups to add things. Have considered having additional volumes balloted and added, but not sure we've ever done this at HL7. Freida: Are we talking about normative material? Austin: Right now it's STU but it's so widely adopted that we're cautious. UDI is a core piece of material that was never in the original other than a few minor pieces of information. Calvin: All the templates are open for the most part, so we can think of these as additional constraints that would be used in conjunction. Ken: So you have a normative document that is still in STU, and then you're adding additional constraints because of different areas of interest; you might be doing something like V2 where you're adding chapters to expand the existing technology. Wayne: What's wrong with doing it this way? What would the problem be? Freida; We might have some problems from the ANSI perspective if you don't reballot everything when you go normative. So it would be added separately on the DSTU pages? Would have to be communicated so implementers would know how to get it.
- Ballot Guidance document
- Freida: Could we re-title this document to reflect TSC ballot guidance to differentiate from a similar project services document (HL7 Ballot Guide)? Gora states we should add HL7 to the title, and add "Guidance" in the second section. Wayne: This came up because FHIR wants to ballot content that is partially normative and partially STU. Freida: We currently do that in version 3 using color coding. Calvin: Don't we ballot each of the parts separately even though we publish it as an aggregate? Ken: Grahame did say he would attempt to provide some separation. Ken: Don't we use color as well as symbols in V3? Melva: It's just another piece of metadata, but not sure in that spec what is balloted and what is informational. Andy: Are there notes to balloters published on the outside? They should be publishing that because of the way they're doing the spec. Will add Guidance later when ARB defines it.
- MOTION to accept this document with proposed edits: Gora/Melva
- VOTE: all in favor
- MOTION to add FHIR to the HL7 product list: Melva/Freida
- VOTE: all in favor
- Freida: Could we re-title this document to reflect TSC ballot guidance to differentiate from a similar project services document (HL7 Ballot Guide)? Gora states we should add HL7 to the title, and add "Guidance" in the second section. Wayne: This came up because FHIR wants to ballot content that is partially normative and partially STU. Freida: We currently do that in version 3 using color coding. Calvin: Don't we ballot each of the parts separately even though we publish it as an aggregate? Ken: Grahame did say he would attempt to provide some separation. Ken: Don't we use color as well as symbols in V3? Melva: It's just another piece of metadata, but not sure in that spec what is balloted and what is informational. Andy: Are there notes to balloters published on the outside? They should be publishing that because of the way they're doing the spec. Will add Guidance later when ARB defines it.
- Jane Millar is going to come to the Sunday meeting to discuss IHTSDO content regarding developer licensing that will be presented at the co-chair dinner. She's also presenting to the international council on Sunday. Should she also circulate around steering division meetings? Decision that it would be good for her to be available as needed for steering division meetings.
- We moved some of the HL7 guidance docs over to HL7.org to make them more searchable. Now that we moved them we will likely remove old content and put remaining documents on a 3-year review cycle.
- Update on Conformance Testing - Karen/Dave
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