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'''Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#'''
 
'''Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#'''
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|x ||Lynn Laakso ||HL7 staff support  
 
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|x ||Scott Robertson  || ORC
 
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|x ||Jennifer Sisto ||  
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|x||Lisa Spellman || ISO TC/215 US TAG
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|x||Sandy Stuart ||  
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'''Agenda Topics''' <br/>
 
'''Agenda Topics''' <br/>
  
#Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
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*Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
#Agenda planning for Phoenix
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*Agenda planning for Phoenix - Austin Kreisler
 
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*Action items
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**Scott needs to confirm liaisons with SDOs for ORC and so will solicit any information they wish to alert HL7 membership of while Lynn and Karen are collecting liaison reports.
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**Austin will discuss with the Board on sharing an update on the IP model development
  
  
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'''Minutes/Conclusions Reached:'''<br/>
 
'''Minutes/Conclusions Reached:'''<br/>
 
Call to order 1:05 PM EST
 
Call to order 1:05 PM EST
#Agenda planning for Phoenix - Austin Kreisler
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*Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
 
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*Agenda planning for Phoenix - Austin Kreisler
 
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*Action items
Previous agenda have been panels, project report-outs. This past meeting was a presentation. Are there any other groups who might be interested in presenting?
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**Scott needs to confirm liaisons with SDOs for ORC and so will solicit any information they wish to alert HL7 membership of while Lynn and Karen are collecting liaison reports.
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**Austin will discuss with the Board on sharing an update on the IP model development - have heard nothing back. We should look at other alternatives. What about IP policies for the other SDOs? We'd still need representation from HL7's side - Austin will raise again on next week's Board call.
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*Product Lines/product families work would be a topic for presentation by ArB.
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*HingX presentation by Jane Curry is another option.
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*Process changes due to ANSI audit is another potential topic if we know what those changes are by the WGM. Austin reports we are going back through old projects and cleaning up. Some old projects have been abandoned and never cleaned up. One likely process change is to actively prune dead wood more quickly, in tightening up processes around projects that are not making progress. Lisa reports that it is the same marching order with ISO.
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**One point of clarification recently advanced is that work groups don't have to take informative or DSTU stuff back to ballot after a successful ballot and reconciliation even with substantive changes. Lisa sees that happening across SDOs. Shutting down projects must avoid sending a message that 'we don't want you to work on that' and in a volunteer organization risks participation altogether.
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**Rita echoes Lisa's interest in how organizations are prioritizing work between SDOs, and Lisa would add ISO's work on eliminating stages (e.g. CD). Would be good to hear what national standards bodies are prioritizing from the Affiliates.
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**Theme on how organizations are prioritizing their work, internally and cross-SDO. Austin recalls HL7's "mushroom" approach. Without strategic resources behind our strategic initiatives, funding development progress, we get what members think they should work on.
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*For next meeting let's figure out who will present on this topic from which organizations. ISO (Lisa), IHE (Austin will check with Keith for suggestions), CEN, NCPDP (Scott), Lisa to reach out to Becky, others? John notes that OACIS folks are visiting PHER at the meeting. He'll reach out to them but John Quinn has been their primary contact on some joint work.
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*Work with the mushroom analogy in the title. Organic and bottom-up. The alternate to that analogy is a crisply designed skyscraper. Agricultural analogy, from taking whatever pops up, is Holland's highly mechanized farming. Mushroom management not a good alternate by John, as compared to volunteer tomatoes.
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*Austin recaps theme: How SDOs go about prioritizing work, both internal and cross-SDO work.
  
Other ideas discussed:
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Scott can't make this time in two weeks. Meet one hour earlier instead.
*ANSI audit may have process changes for HL7 the other SDOs may need to be aware of. We may not even have those processes worked out by the time of the WGM.
 
*TSC reorganization of product lines/families and BAM may be too internal to HL7. How we organize and develop our products may be relevant to other SDOs and benefit from others' organizing efforts. Why are we doing this, what does it mean.
 
*Reorganizing the roadmap would be of interest to other SDOs, notes Lisa.
 
*Ken notes other organizations' dealing with free IP might be useful. Scott notes that HL7's plans will be mostly developed by then, but it still might be good for membership to know what other organizations are doing to set the context. Austin could solicit a presentation from the Board on the HL7 model development to see if they would be willing to share at that time.
 
*HingX might be of more value as a deep-dive topic. Perhaps a later WGM.
 
*Scott needs to confirm liaisons with SDOs for ORC and so will solicit any information they wish to alert HL7 membership of while Lynn and Karen are collecting liaison reports.
 
  
Adjourned 1:27 PM EST
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Adjourned 1:29 PM EST
  
 
===Next Steps===
 
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|colspan="4" |'''Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items'''<br/>
 
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Latest revision as of 18:29, 29 November 2012

TSC: HL7 Activities with Other SDOs

Meeting Info/Attendees

HL7 Activities with Other SDOs

Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#

Date: 2012-11-29
Time: 1 PM U.S. Eastern Standard Time
Facilitator: Austin Kreisler Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso


Attendee Name Affiliation
Christian Hay GS1
x Austin Kreisler HL7 TSC Chair
x Lynn Laakso HL7 staff support
x John Roberts
x Scott Robertson ORC
Ken Rubin OMG
x Rita Scichilone
x Lisa Spellman ISO TC/215 US TAG
x Sandy Stuart
Ed Tripp DESD, CDISC interest


Quorum Requirements Met: n/a

Agenda

Agenda Topics

  • Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
  • Agenda planning for Phoenix - Austin Kreisler
  • Action items
    • Scott needs to confirm liaisons with SDOs for ORC and so will solicit any information they wish to alert HL7 membership of while Lynn and Karen are collecting liaison reports.
    • Austin will discuss with the Board on sharing an update on the IP model development


Supporting Documents

  • See links

Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Call to order 1:05 PM EST

  • Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
  • Agenda planning for Phoenix - Austin Kreisler
  • Action items
    • Scott needs to confirm liaisons with SDOs for ORC and so will solicit any information they wish to alert HL7 membership of while Lynn and Karen are collecting liaison reports.
    • Austin will discuss with the Board on sharing an update on the IP model development - have heard nothing back. We should look at other alternatives. What about IP policies for the other SDOs? We'd still need representation from HL7's side - Austin will raise again on next week's Board call.
  • Product Lines/product families work would be a topic for presentation by ArB.
  • HingX presentation by Jane Curry is another option.
  • Process changes due to ANSI audit is another potential topic if we know what those changes are by the WGM. Austin reports we are going back through old projects and cleaning up. Some old projects have been abandoned and never cleaned up. One likely process change is to actively prune dead wood more quickly, in tightening up processes around projects that are not making progress. Lisa reports that it is the same marching order with ISO.
    • One point of clarification recently advanced is that work groups don't have to take informative or DSTU stuff back to ballot after a successful ballot and reconciliation even with substantive changes. Lisa sees that happening across SDOs. Shutting down projects must avoid sending a message that 'we don't want you to work on that' and in a volunteer organization risks participation altogether.
    • Rita echoes Lisa's interest in how organizations are prioritizing work between SDOs, and Lisa would add ISO's work on eliminating stages (e.g. CD). Would be good to hear what national standards bodies are prioritizing from the Affiliates.
    • Theme on how organizations are prioritizing their work, internally and cross-SDO. Austin recalls HL7's "mushroom" approach. Without strategic resources behind our strategic initiatives, funding development progress, we get what members think they should work on.
  • For next meeting let's figure out who will present on this topic from which organizations. ISO (Lisa), IHE (Austin will check with Keith for suggestions), CEN, NCPDP (Scott), Lisa to reach out to Becky, others? John notes that OACIS folks are visiting PHER at the meeting. He'll reach out to them but John Quinn has been their primary contact on some joint work.
  • Work with the mushroom analogy in the title. Organic and bottom-up. The alternate to that analogy is a crisply designed skyscraper. Agricultural analogy, from taking whatever pops up, is Holland's highly mechanized farming. Mushroom management not a good alternate by John, as compared to volunteer tomatoes.
  • Austin recaps theme: How SDOs go about prioritizing work, both internal and cross-SDO work.

Scott can't make this time in two weeks. Meet one hour earlier instead.

Adjourned 1:29 PM EST

Next Steps

Actions (Include Owner, Action Item, and due date)
Next Meeting/Preliminary Agenda Items