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===Minutes===
 
===Minutes===
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'''Minutes/Conclusions Reached:'''<br/>
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'''Minutes/Conclusions Reached:'''<br/> Convened 11:03 AM
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#Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) Brian observing, John R guest.
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#Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler reviewed agenda with no adjustments
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#Approve Minutes of [[2013-12-02 TSC Call Agenda]] unanimously approved
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#Action items
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#*Andy, with Freida, Ken McCaslin, and John Roberts will work on IG definition and conformance and inviting Rob Snelick; no progress to report
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#*Calvin and Lorraine, aided by Jean will work on DAM desirable consistency value proposition, and conformance definition. No further progress to report
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#*TRAC to recommend updated WGH metrics; Pat is not currently on the call. They met last week and have started an assessment and will continue working on this.
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#TSC call schedule for rest of calendar year - meeting on the 16th would be the last for this year if the following two meetings are cancelled (23rd or 30th). May still be conducting e-votes those weeks.
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====Management====
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#Review [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=494 action items] –
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#Approval items:
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#*(announcement) Advance Approval delegated to CTO/TSC Chair, approved 11/26:
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#**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2809/11227/%48%4c%37%5f%50%75%62%6c%69%63%61%74%69%6f%6e%5f%52%65%71%75%65%73%74%5f%4c%4f%49%20%49%47%32%30%31%33%31%31%32%31%2e%64%6f%63%78 DSTU Publication request] for ''HL7 Version 2.5.1 Implementation Guide: S&I Framework Laboratory Orders from EHR, Release 1 - US Realm'' (LOI) for OO WG of SSD SD for 24 months at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=922 Project Insight # 922] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=2809 TSC Tracker 2809].
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#**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2808/11226/%48%4c%37%5f%50%75%62%6c%69%63%61%74%69%6f%6e%5f%52%65%71%75%65%73%74%5f%65%44%4f%53%20%49%47%20%52%32%2e%64%6f%63%788 DSTU Publication request] for ''HL7 Version 2.5.1 Implementation Guide:  S&I Framework Laboratory Test Compendium Framework, Release 2 - US Realm'' (eDOS) OO WG of SSD SD for 12 months at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=973 Project Insight # 973] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=2808 TSC Tracker 2808].
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#**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2806/11218/%48%4c%37%5f%50%75%62%6c%69%63%61%74%69%6f%6e%5f%52%65%71%75%65%73%74%5f%45%4c%52%20%49%47%20%52%32%2e%64%6f%63%78 DSTU Publication request] for ''HL7 Version 2.5.1 Implementation Guide: Electronic Laboratory Reporting to Public Health, Release 2 - US Realm'' (ELR) for PHER WG of DESD for 24 months at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=737 Project Insight # 737] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=2806 TSC Tracker 2806].
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#*For approval by e-vote this coming week
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#**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2807/11224/%48%4c%37%5f%50%75%62%6c%69%63%61%74%69%6f%6e%5f%52%65%71%75%65%73%74%5f%48%51%4d%46%20%52%32%5f%32%30%31%33%20%31%31%20%32%31%2e%64%6f%63%78 DSTU Publication request] for ''HL7 Version 3 Standard: Representation of the Health Quality Measure Format (eMeasure) DSTU, Release 2'' for Structured Documents WG of SSD SD for 24 months at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=508 Project Insight # 508] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=2807 TSC Tracker 2807].
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#**[http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/trackeritem/2810/11228/%48%4c%37%5f%50%75%62%6c%69%63%61%74%69%6f%6e%5f%52%65%71%75%65%73%74%5f%4c%61%62%4f%72%64%65%72%44%41%4d%2e%64%6f%63%78 DSTU Publication request] for ''HL7 Version 3 Domain Analysis Model: Laboratory Orders, Release 1,' for OO of SSD SD for 24 months at [http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/projman/searchableProjectIndex.cfm?action=edit&ProjectNumber=587 Project Insight # 587] and [http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/tsc/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=2810 TSC Tracker 2810].
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#Discussion topics:
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#:Paul and Lorraine join
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#*Tooling Dashboard (Andy)
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#**Andy notes the Tooling WG perceived the Tooling Dashboard project as part of an request by TSC and tied to ES project for WG dashboards. There has been no work on the project in some time and its status has been 'on hold' for over a year. Tooling wishes to know if the TSC wants Tooling to keep the project or not.
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#**History of dashboard requests reviewed and discussion on ES and other work groups' roles. General agreement was expressed that this does not need to be kept on the books.
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====Governance====
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<!--    Approvals  -->
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#Approval items:
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#*TRAC governance point on project scope deadline - Pat not available; roll forward
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<!--  Governance      -->
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<!--  Discussion  -->
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#Discussion topics:
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#* CMET balloting approach - Report from Harmonization (Beeler) (10 minutes)
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#**Publishing, MnM and other participants discussed at Harmonization. Initially MnM balloted all CMETs with source managed by WG. Some years ago their responsibility was dispersed to WGs. All CMETs for a different domain will be balloted as a package. If a CMET changes it is balloted with the entire package for the domain with the others marked as out of scope. This will have fewer ballots than if each CMET is balloted individually and more simple than combining domains in a ballot.
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#**Austin notes that going forward we would be reporting these domain packages to ANSI instead of the huge rollup package recently reported. We've lacked clear documentation of the process in the pass - it would be good to have it documented and distributed in San Antonio. ACTION ITEM: Andy and Woody will develop process documentation for endorsement at the Saturday meeting and review for endorsement on the Monday cochairs agenda. Austin asks that they include the flow in swim lanes on responsibilities for governance, management and methodology. Woody moves and Andy seconds adoption of this approach. Unanimously approved.
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#*GOM Revision Cycle 1309 Peer Review 11/27 - 12/26/2013 [http://lists.hl7.org/read/attachment/243901/3/WI1309.zip email attachment]
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#**WI1309007 on T3SD WG co-chairs reviewed. This would change the Board liaison co-chair as selected from within the T3SD WGs not appointed by the Board chair. No changes were identified.
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#**WI1309008 Add co-chairs to GOM peer review -this change allows sending peer review notifications to the cochairs list, e.g. for sections that directly affect the ballot process. Ken moved and Woody seconded the TSC position and feedback comment that cochairs should always be notified for peer review.
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#**WI130910 No Candidate for TSC position - this change allows write-ins on the election ballot. No changes were identified. This was changed in response to issues earlier this year. Discussion on acceptance of qualifications for candidates ensued; this may be defined in a different section of the GOM. We might suggest that write in candidates must meet the conditions required for membership in good standing. Freida notes that 9.01.01.03 has such conditions.
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#**WI1309006 TSC Chair selection includes ad hoc members for consideration as nomination for Chair. Wording on line 12 still indicates that ad hoc members may not be included to elect the TSC chair. Jean moves to change from line 11 to "The TSC shall elect its own chair from among current members; excluding ex officio members." Discussion ensued whether to remove "or former" from the members eligible for election for chair.  Andy seconds the motion with the friendly amendment to restore "or former". Unanimously approved. 
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#*[http://lists.hl7.org/read/attachment/244475/2/BallotRecMiningForQuality.zip Ballot quality assessment]
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#**Austin reviews how the assessment was done, by an objective (statistical) measure and a subjective review team. With Low as zero, medium of 1 and high quality was 2, he did some statistics reviewed in the ballots for mining review-revised-ajk.
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#**Conclusion can be drawn that high quality ballots had a low percentage of negative votes. Persuasive line items vs subjective quality was not a very predictive measure.
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#**Other validity risks were reviewed with sample size and number of reviewers.
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#**One measure proposed was the % of negatives less than 20 making it a quality ballot.
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#**Ken asks if the number of ballots not returned versus negative balloters would indicate anything? That figure was not on the ballot spreadsheet so not evaluated, but might be useful notes Austin.
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#**Calvin suggests a graph of recent ballot cycles with that measure? Maybe Woody's spreadsheet can be modified. Please consider options and review again next week.
  
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'''''Please don't forget to hang up from the conference call '' (VOIP users)'''
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Adjourned 12:00 PM
  
  

Latest revision as of 17:44, 16 December 2013

TSC Agenda/Minutes

Meeting Info/Attendees

HL7 TSC Meeting Minutes

Location: call 770-657-9270 using code 985371#
GoToMeeting ID: 273-848-837

Date: 2013-12-09
Time: 11:00 AM U.S. Eastern
Facilitator: Austin Kreisler Note taker(s): Lynn Laakso
Quorum = chair + 5 including 2 SD represented yes/no
Chair/CTO ArB International Affiliate Rep Ad-Hoc
x Austin Kreisler x Tony Julian x Jean Duteau x Ken McCaslin
x John Quinn x Lorraine Constable . . Giorgio Cangioli
Domain Experts Foundation and Technology Structure and Semantic Design Technical and Support Services
x Melva Peters x Woody Beeler x Calvin Beebe x Freida Hall
x Mead Walker x Paul Knapp . Pat van Dyke x Andy Stechishin
ex officio Invited Guests Observers HL7 Staff
. Don Mon (HL7 Chair) w/vote x John Roberts x Brian Pech . Lynn Laakso
. Bob Dolin (Vice Chair) vote . . . obs2 .
. Chuck Jaffe (CEO) vote . . . .

Agenda

Housekeeping

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests)
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler
  3. Approve Minutes of 2013-12-02 TSC Call Agenda
  4. Action items
    • Andy, with Freida, Ken McCaslin, and John Roberts will work on IG definition and conformance and inviting Rob Snelick;
    • Calvin and Lorraine, aided by Jean will work on DAM desirable consistency value proposition, and conformance definition.
    • TRAC to recommend updated WGH metrics
  5. TSC call schedule for rest of calendar year

Management

  1. Review action items –
  2. Approval items:
  3. Discussion topics:
    • Tooling Dashboard (Andy)

Governance

  1. Approval items:
    • TRAC governance point on project scope deadline
  2. Discussion topics:
    • CMET balloting approach - Report from Harmonization (Beeler) (10 minutes)
    • GOM Revision Cycle 1309 Peer Review 11/27 - 12/26/2013 email attachment
    • Ballot quality assessment

Reports: (attach written reports below from Steering Divisions et al.)

    • ArB BAM-lite progress and BAM task force
    • Product Line Architecture program
    • FGB/FMG updates (FGB did not meet last week
    • TRAC
    • US Realm Task Force
    • UDI Task Force
    • SAIF Architecture Program
  2. Open Issues List


Minutes

Minutes/Conclusions Reached:
Convened 11:03 AM

  1. Introduction of visitors (including declaration of interests) Brian observing, John R guest.
  2. Agenda review and approval - Austin Kreisler reviewed agenda with no adjustments
  3. Approve Minutes of 2013-12-02 TSC Call Agenda unanimously approved
  4. Action items
    • Andy, with Freida, Ken McCaslin, and John Roberts will work on IG definition and conformance and inviting Rob Snelick; no progress to report
    • Calvin and Lorraine, aided by Jean will work on DAM desirable consistency value proposition, and conformance definition. No further progress to report
    • TRAC to recommend updated WGH metrics; Pat is not currently on the call. They met last week and have started an assessment and will continue working on this.
  5. TSC call schedule for rest of calendar year - meeting on the 16th would be the last for this year if the following two meetings are cancelled (23rd or 30th). May still be conducting e-votes those weeks.

Management

  1. Review action items –
  2. Approval items:
  3. Discussion topics:
    Paul and Lorraine join
    • Tooling Dashboard (Andy)
      • Andy notes the Tooling WG perceived the Tooling Dashboard project as part of an request by TSC and tied to ES project for WG dashboards. There has been no work on the project in some time and its status has been 'on hold' for over a year. Tooling wishes to know if the TSC wants Tooling to keep the project or not.
      • History of dashboard requests reviewed and discussion on ES and other work groups' roles. General agreement was expressed that this does not need to be kept on the books.

Governance

  1. Approval items:
    • TRAC governance point on project scope deadline - Pat not available; roll forward
  2. Discussion topics:
    • CMET balloting approach - Report from Harmonization (Beeler) (10 minutes)
      • Publishing, MnM and other participants discussed at Harmonization. Initially MnM balloted all CMETs with source managed by WG. Some years ago their responsibility was dispersed to WGs. All CMETs for a different domain will be balloted as a package. If a CMET changes it is balloted with the entire package for the domain with the others marked as out of scope. This will have fewer ballots than if each CMET is balloted individually and more simple than combining domains in a ballot.
      • Austin notes that going forward we would be reporting these domain packages to ANSI instead of the huge rollup package recently reported. We've lacked clear documentation of the process in the pass - it would be good to have it documented and distributed in San Antonio. ACTION ITEM: Andy and Woody will develop process documentation for endorsement at the Saturday meeting and review for endorsement on the Monday cochairs agenda. Austin asks that they include the flow in swim lanes on responsibilities for governance, management and methodology. Woody moves and Andy seconds adoption of this approach. Unanimously approved.
    • GOM Revision Cycle 1309 Peer Review 11/27 - 12/26/2013 email attachment
      • WI1309007 on T3SD WG co-chairs reviewed. This would change the Board liaison co-chair as selected from within the T3SD WGs not appointed by the Board chair. No changes were identified.
      • WI1309008 Add co-chairs to GOM peer review -this change allows sending peer review notifications to the cochairs list, e.g. for sections that directly affect the ballot process. Ken moved and Woody seconded the TSC position and feedback comment that cochairs should always be notified for peer review.
      • WI130910 No Candidate for TSC position - this change allows write-ins on the election ballot. No changes were identified. This was changed in response to issues earlier this year. Discussion on acceptance of qualifications for candidates ensued; this may be defined in a different section of the GOM. We might suggest that write in candidates must meet the conditions required for membership in good standing. Freida notes that 9.01.01.03 has such conditions.
      • WI1309006 TSC Chair selection includes ad hoc members for consideration as nomination for Chair. Wording on line 12 still indicates that ad hoc members may not be included to elect the TSC chair. Jean moves to change from line 11 to "The TSC shall elect its own chair from among current members; excluding ex officio members." Discussion ensued whether to remove "or former" from the members eligible for election for chair. Andy seconds the motion with the friendly amendment to restore "or former". Unanimously approved.
    • Ballot quality assessment
      • Austin reviews how the assessment was done, by an objective (statistical) measure and a subjective review team. With Low as zero, medium of 1 and high quality was 2, he did some statistics reviewed in the ballots for mining review-revised-ajk.
      • Conclusion can be drawn that high quality ballots had a low percentage of negative votes. Persuasive line items vs subjective quality was not a very predictive measure.
      • Other validity risks were reviewed with sample size and number of reviewers.
      • One measure proposed was the % of negatives less than 20 making it a quality ballot.
      • Ken asks if the number of ballots not returned versus negative balloters would indicate anything? That figure was not on the ballot spreadsheet so not evaluated, but might be useful notes Austin.
      • Calvin suggests a graph of recent ballot cycles with that measure? Maybe Woody's spreadsheet can be modified. Please consider options and review again next week.

Adjourned 12:00 PM


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