2010-10-03 TSC Minutes HL7 Activities with other SDOs

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TSC HL7 activities with other SDOs Meeting

Location: Presidents Ballroom C and D

Date: 2010-10-03
Time: Sunday Q4
Facilitator Charlie McCay Note taker(s) Lynn Laakso
Opportunity for HL7 WGM attendees to review activities in collaboration with other SDOs such as IHE, OMG, and the JWG and JIC, and provide comment.
See http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/5890/7614/Attendees_SDOs_2010OCTWGM.pdf for attendance in Excel format

See http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/5903/7632/2010Oct_activ_otherSDOs_attendance_scan.pdf for scanned sign-in sheets

Agenda

  1. Welcome and Introduction
  2. HL7 activities with ISO TC215, JWG, JIC
    • Chuck Jaffe or John Quinn
  3. HL7 activities with CEN TC 251
    • Melvin Reynolds: CEN - HL7 liaison report -
      • From a CEN TC251 perspective, it is probably simplest to report that, in most cases, we are now mirroring HL7 work proposed to ISO, either as fast-track items or collaboratively as facilitated by the JIC arrangement.
      • After a somewhat painful experience of trying to joint-develop and ballot work, the HL7/ISO/CEN work on data types, IDMP and ICSR now appear to be reaching a successful conclusion. We, in JIC, are attempting to ensure that future joint work is less painful - mostly by improving joint development whilst minimising the need to co-ordinate joint ballots. A process that implies that a named SDO takes the lead role but welcomes, actually seeks, other SDO input in the development.
      • An area of particular focus in CEN TC251 (working with CENELEC TC62) has been to understand the implications of the EU Medical Devices Directive for software products used in healthcare, and to begin to adapt our work to support the impact of guidelines expected from the EC. These guidelines will have implications for organisations making products available in the EC - and may impact development practices of health informatics SDOs.
      • The eHealth-INTEROP Phase 2 proposal is basically unchanged from the Phase 1 recommendations - but requires checking the current validity of the proposed use cases. It has been approved by the Directorate responsible for Information Society (DG INFSO), and now awaits action (i.e. funding) from the Directorate responsible for Enterprise (DG ENTR). There are conflicting pressures to reject the proposal, on the basis that it's expensive and past its use-by date, and continue to approval, on basis that it's vital. However, a signature was 'expected' this September, which could mean a January start...
  4. HL7 activities with CDISC
    • Charlie Mead
  5. HL7 activities with DICOM
    • Harry Solomon?
  6. HL7 activities with GS1
    • Christian Hay
  7. HL7 activities with IEEE (11073)
    • Todd Cooper
  8. HL7 activities with IHE
    • Keith Boone
  9. HL7 activities with IHTSDO
    • Bob Dolin
  10. HL7 Activities with NCPDP
    • Sue Thompson
  11. HL7 activities with OMG
    • Ken Rubin
  12. Review of each JIC-sponsored event having HL7 engagement
    • BRIDG: Becky Kush
    • ICSR:Mead Walker
      • Lise Stevens reports via email: The ballot passed and we are working through questions about data types schemas with Grahame and email with MnM.
    • IDMP: Tim Buxton
    • CTRR: Becky Kush
    • DataTypes: Grahame Grieve
    • EHR-S FM: Don Mon
    • SKMT: Heather Grain
    • Patient ID: Christian Hay
  13. Comment period

Supporting Documents

  1. http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/5888/7612/Hay.GS1HL7.ICM.Cambridge.pptx
  2. http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/download/docmanfileversion/5889/7613/HL7October2010ReportonIHEtoInternationalCouncil.ppt

Minutes/Conclusions Reached

  1. Welcome and Introduction
  2. HL7 activities with ISO TC215, JWG, JIC
    • Chuck Jaffe reports they have been working in issues related to common interests – gaps in initiatives between HL7 and CEN. Please see the web site at www.jointinitiativecouncil.org.
  3. HL7 activities with CEN TC 251
    • Melvin Reynolds: CEN - HL7 liaison report -
      • From a CEN TC251 perspective, it is probably simplest to report that, in most cases, we are now mirroring HL7 work proposed to ISO, either as fast-track items or collaboratively as facilitated by the JIC arrangement.
      • After a somewhat painful experience of trying to joint-develop and ballot work, the HL7/ISO/CEN work on data types, IDMP and ICSR now appear to be reaching a successful conclusion. We, in JIC, are attempting to ensure that future joint work is less painful - mostly by improving joint development whilst minimising the need to co-ordinate joint ballots. A process that implies that a named SDO takes the lead role but welcomes, actually seeks, other SDO input in the development.
      • An area of particular focus in CEN TC251 (working with CENELEC TC62) has been to understand the implications of the EU Medical Devices Directive for software products used in healthcare, and to begin to adapt our work to support the impact of guidelines expected from the EC. These guidelines will have implications for organisations making products available in the EC - and may impact development practices of health informatics SDOs.
      • The eHealth-INTEROP Phase 2 proposal is basically unchanged from the Phase 1 recommendations - but requires checking the current validity of the proposed use cases. It has been approved by the Directorate responsible for Information Society (DG INFSO), and now awaits action (i.e. funding) from the Directorate responsible for Enterprise (DG ENTR). There are conflicting pressures to reject the proposal, on the basis that it's expensive and past its use-by date, and continue to approval, on basis that it's vital. However, a signature was 'expected' this September, which could mean a January start...
  4. HL7 activities with CDISC
    • Becky Kush reports that there is a project named Janus regarding loading historical data. For more please attend the RCRIM Work Group meeting on Wednesday Q4 for BRIDG.
  5. HL7 activities with DICOM
    • Harry Solomon reports they have completed some additions to the standard to cover digital pathology, with whole slide imaging. They have also defined an API between imaging apps and host workstations. With HL7, there has been work on Radiology Reporting, report templates, and a collaboration with Vocabulary which will kickoff at end of month. A reference implementation is being funded by NIH. Find out more at Imaging Integration Work Group meeting Tuesday and Wednesday.
  6. HL7 activities with GS1
  7. HL7 activities with IEEE (11073)
    • Todd Cooper says that this week they will be focusing on DCM for Medical Devices. Vocabulary development in ventilators, infusion pumps. It will be in V2 message profiles for CDA, also extension to WAN interface with Continua. They are testing in Korea in December and the U.S. in January.
  8. HL7 activities with IHE
  9. HL7 activities with IHTSDO
    • Bob Dolin reported the HL7 evaluation of the IHTSDO workbench went a bit stale over the summer due to lack of resources but is just starting up again, but has been hard to evaluate due to the evolving underlying models. A policy development for HL7 to submit to SNOMED is in the works. A joint licensing/bundled license between HL7 and IHTSDO/SNOMED was also being investigated. Ted adds a project is in place to replace HL7 domain-specific vocabulary with SNOMED.
  10. HL7 Activities with NCPDP
    • Scott Robertson reports that two profiles, the ePrescribing Functional Profile and the Pharmacy/Pharmacist Functional Profiles had just passed HL7 ballot. They are developing XML formats based on the RIM.
  11. HL7 activities with OMG
    • Ken Rubin reports that the relationship is going well. Richard Soley will be here on Monday and Tuesday. There will be a session later this week on MDA with ITS. CTS2 has progressed out of HL7 and is moving through the OMG process with final spec expected in March 2011. Sydney WGM in January 2011 will be hosting a “SOA in Healthcare Down Under” two-day seminar.
  12. Review of each JIC-sponsored event having HL7 engagement
    • BRIDG: Becky Kush says that the R3 of BRIDG has balloted the DAM and maps to RIM and has a 3rd layer for domain experts. It’s a CDISC standard, and has passed HL7, and has one more procedural issue post-ballot to make the final step to ISO standard.
    • ICSR:Mead Walker
    • ICSR: Lise Stevens reports via email: The ballot passed and we are working through questions about data types schemas with Grahame and email with MnM.
    • IDMP: Tim Buxton
      • Two projects in HL7, represented as 5 projects in ISO. Product and Substance within HL7 should wrap up in February 2011. They will be testing in the EU, US and Japan. Come to Pharmacy WG meeting on Wednesday Q3 to learn more.
    • CTRR: Becky Kush
      • Becky reported that the first message out of BRIDG was clinical trial registry. Clinicaltrial.gov, EMEA, and WHO all have clinical trial registries with which it will work. AMS is working on this and Scott had sent her a report. They expect to run the DSTU for 6 months and hope to ballot normative in September 2011.
    • DataTypes: Grahame Grieve
      • Three weeks ago the final drat of the FDIS was sent to Audrey by the ISO secretariat. He will review as soon as he is able; the FDIS opens in a month or so but FDIS ballot changes are generally limited to small editorial questions and is substantially final.
    • EHR-S FM: John Ritter reports they are moving to R2, and hope to have a parallel ballot close in the first or second quarter of 2011. The EHR-S Lifecycle Model work remaining has some action verbs to be harmonized with the EHR Glossary.
    • SKMT: Heather Grain
      • The glossary is proceeding. She asks that whenever you are looking at definitions, consider using the tool. Some terms have 30 definitions. There is a process for declaring a definition for a term within a context. Vocabulary is discussing this on Wednesday AM. See www.skmtglossary.org. It is open to all. With new definitions they are finding inconsistencies in how folks define things. Please provide the source or citation for the definition you submit, if it came from someone other than yourself. She notes that Andy Stechishin is looking at loading the tool from the HL7 glossaries and metadata. Charlie McCay comments that the HL7 Glossary happens in the Publishing WG (versus Vocabulary), so the process will need to be clarified. The TSC is concerned to ensure it has an approved scope statement. Ed Tripp asks if SKMT will go through ballot like other projects? Heather replies yes and no – a mechanism to share ballot comments and input. If not all organizations participating in the glossary use the term in their context, they shouldn’t have to ballot. E.g. mapping document to IHTSDO and HL7 will reconcile in the normal way. They are trialing some things, but pushing forward. See Publishing WG on glossaries.
    • Patient ID: Christian Hay
      • Included in Christian’s slide show, named Automatic ID Marking and Labeling. The project is starting this week, and next week they expect to conduct a webinar to explain the process. The project has a 14 month timeline.
  13. Comment period
    • Charlie McCay reported that the TSC yesterday acknowledged a need to request the International Council to help provide better communication to the ISO TAG groups for items coming for ballot in ISO. People who participate on the TAGs are not necessarily the same folks who attend WGMs. If anyone has ideas, please talk to Charlie or Robert Stegwee.
    • A question was asked if there was a report from HL7 Europe. It was noted that it should be part of the International Council report. It’s not another SDO, but has the same Board of Directors as HL7 International. It’s liaising with SDOs in Europe though, and can provide an update at the next session. Please see International Council minutes for more detail.
      • Ann Wrightson feels it should be part of this meeting. Charlie responds that the five items being reported for HL7 EU add to the 20 already on the agenda. Robert Stegwee notes that there are R3 issues appropriate but the work with EPSOS is a project, and suitable for the International Council. Charlie continues that it still shows we need to improve communication and transparency with these. Please forward your ideas to Charlie, and provide updates in advance when requested for future sessions.


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